Todd Bertuzzi vs the Media
For the record and before I start. I'm not a Bertuzzi fan or am I a fan of fighting in hockey. Also realize that I am commenting only based on the video replay and reports I've read because I'll be the first to admit I do not know 100% of all the details and the following are just my views of Todd Bertuzzi compared to any other violence in hockey.
I'm not writing this to debate on the decision by the NHL. My problem is how the media insists on destroying and making Todd Bertuzzi look like a monster.
This is obviously a heated discussion over the past few days and it amazes me on how this one incident is singled out from the rest. Note last weeks game that everybody forgot about between the Flyers and Senators. NHL record with 419 penalty minutes but since nobody got hurt, no attention was made. That's only one example of many.
I think the entire thing is over rated and it's all caused by Moore being carried off in a stretcher. Sure it may have been a cheap shot but how is that new to hockey? It's hard to tell just by watching a replay but the injury must be the result of falling on the ice head first. Bertuzzi, Nikolishin and a number of other players falling on top probably didn't help either.
He fractured his neck, vertebra, jaw or all of the above? It all depends on what site you read but because he got injured, that's the only reason why it's all over the news. "NHL player breaks his neck after an attack from behind". I've seem much more impact in other games that never get reported. This just makes good headlines so why not soak it for all it's worth?
"Steve Moore is out for the season after being jumped from behind by Vancouver's Todd Bertuzzi during the Avalanche's 9-2 win Monday night. Bertuzzi's despicable act of revenge deserves severe punishment, writes Terry Frei." ESPN
Then it goes on to say: "Yes, that's taking into account the effects of Bertuzzi's actions, and not just the actions itself. If Moore hadn't been so severely injured, of course the argument would be different."
A summary of what Tie Domi said: "By now nearly everyone has their own opinions on this and have stated them... and they're entitled to those opinions. But out of all those people, hardly any of them REALLY know what it's like, to "be out there"... it's a lot different to be talking about it and making opinions, than actually knowing what it's like to be out there. It's an intense, physical game, and only we know how it is."
Now Bertuzzi is suspended until sometime next season because they need to set yet another example. The league can't let him just walk now after all this BS hype in the media and then get accused of taking it easy on a star player. "Bertuzzi will probably be suspended for a while pending on the status of Moore. Moore apparently has a fractured neck, a concussion and deep facial cuts." This is wrong. Yes give him a suspension but don't base it on the injury alone. They are now saying it's only a crime if the other player gets seriously hurt.
A few comments from a heated debate on myRPHA.com:
"I think the fact the Vancouver police are getting involved is ridiculous. If they're looking into charging Bertuzzi with assault, they'd have to charge every hockey player who fights because that's basically what this was."
"I think the McSorley thing was way worse and I think the vicious crosscheck by Sutter to Kariya's face a few years ago was worse than this. It was a suckerpunch but those happen all the time. Its too bad this is overshadowing the deadline news."
"Bertuzzi is everybody else's scapegoat."
"the media is a problem and don't for a moment think that they aren't relishing in the fact that the Bertuzzi incident has become such a media monster!"
Sure this deserves some punishment and it's true that Todd Bertuzzi should not have done what he did but is this really that much of a bigger deal then all the other violence in the sport? If fighting is allowed and you are only given 10 minutes for a cross check from behind, why are the police involved for a punch just because the guy turned his back? I believe that if Moore didn't fall on his head and was able to get back up after 10 minutes or so, there wouldn't be an issue with the cheap punch.
The entire thing was just a fluke accident because fists and elbows are thrown all the time. I find this very hard to even consider comparing to the McSorley/Brashear attack. Either way you look at it now, It's going to be very tough for Todd Bertuzzi to return as the same player. This will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his career.
Comments
Rob MacD - March 12, 2004 12:01 am
I agree that it's wrong to base the NHL suspension on the length of time it takes Moore to recover. Give him the suspension of the season and playoffs and call it done.
I agree with pretty much everything you say (I do think it's comparable to the Brashear attack). And I also think it's hypocritical of the league to accuse (by way of a $250,000 fine) the Canucks organization of not doing enough to keep this incident from happening. Why isn't the league fining itself for not doing enough to keep this incident, and all the instances that you point out above, from happening?
I agree with King Kaufman, sports writer for Salon.com, and his solution: Here's the rule, boys. If you fight once in the season, you're out for the rest of the game plus the next game. If you fight twice in the season, your second punishment in a five game suspension. If you fight three times in the season, you're suspended for the rest of the season. There, now go play hockey. Simple, clean and done.
Of course, the officials would also have to grow spines and call those cross-checks and high-sticking penalties with a lot more consistency.
Stephen DesRoches - March 12, 2004 10:53 am
I would like to quote a comment made by Rob on his own site that extends my comments about the media.
<blockquote class="quote">I just watched the Bertuzzi apology on TSN. It's pretty clear that the guy is pretty devastated at what he did. The worst thing about the press conference though, was whenever the teary-eyed Bertuzzi moved his hand to wipe away a tear, a thousand cameras clicked, looking for tomorrow's newspaper photo. His hand goes down, silence from the cameras. Hand goes up to wipe his nose, a thousand clicking cameras. Hand down, silence.</blockquote>
Brad Pineau - March 13, 2004 4:08 am
I think it all comes down to the fact that Bertuzzi has to take responsibility for his actions, as well as the PRODUCT of his actions. It's very true that if Moore had of gotten up after the hit, there would have been no problem. And it's true that it was a fluke that the punch to the back of the head knocked Moore unconscious... thus making Moore fall into the ice face first. But that was the product of Bertuzzi's action... and he has to take responsibility for it.
The same case goes for committing a crime off the ice... if you hit someone in the face and they break their nose, you go to jail for a few months for assault... if you punch someone in the face and they fall down and die by fluke - you go to jail for life for manslaughter. You may not of had any intention for the end result... but whatever that result is - you have to take responsibility for it.
Chuck Grady - March 13, 2004 10:58 am
I feel the suspension is exactly what it should have been. I certainly agree that if Steve Moore had not been hurt in the incident, Bertuzzi would have gotten five games.
But that's not how it works. Moore is going to miss the rest of the season too and may never play again; it has happened before. It is not always your actions, but sometimes the result of you actions that decide your punishment.
Example: A drunk enters a public park brandishing a handgun. He fires it several times in all different directions. One ill-fated bullet strikes a seven-year-old child on the monkey bars. The child dies from injuries sustained. Do you think he'd be charged with willfully discharging a firearm in a public place, a Class 4 felony? or Manslaughter? or Murder?
Although murder is certainly a stretch due to the lack of intent, you know they'd seek the maximum penalty. As did the NHL.
Michael Villani - March 14, 2004 5:47 pm
I can see you are just a casual fan of the game, and like most of the media only focus on the "violence". What Bertuzzi did was colored as retribution - payback - for Moores hit on Naslund. But it was nothing more then a cheap shot as he hit him from behind as the game was winding down, instead of challenging him face to face. What he did, in my opinion, warranted a longer suspension then he received; he should be suspended for as long as Moore is out, then add another 20 games. If Moores' carreer is ended because of this cheap shot then Bertuzzi should also be banned fo rlife. This type of penalty should be applied to any player that willfuly injures another palyer, like Bertuzzi did, or uses their stick, or sticks out a knee, all of which are intent to injure type plays and have no place in the game of hockey. Suspending players for fighting will not cut down on incidents like the Bertuzzi cheap shot. Apparently you have not seen the European game where fighting is banned, that game is more violent as players resort to using their sticks for retribution since they are not allowed to fight. Everyone says fighting is bad for the game and the media goes on a tangent when something like the Bertuzzi incident happend, yet I do not hear anything being written or said when Roger Clemens throws a 100mph fastball at some batters head. Which would do more damage, two players squaring off, holding on each others jersey, trading punches, occasionaly landing one, or getting hit in the head by 100mph fastball? The media says football is a physical game also but you do not see the same "violence". The difference is they do not carry "weapons" (sticks) like hockey players do, trust me if they did you would see someone get decapitated out there. And what about the frequent close linining in American footbal and spearing with the helmets? Is that any less violent and outside the rules of the game as well? Eliminating the instigator rule would be a first step toward curbing violence in teh game, i.e. use of the sticks, paybacks would be swifter not two weeks after the fact like the Bertuzzi/Moore case.
Stephen DesRoches - March 15, 2004 10:56 am
I'm glad to see Don Cherry thinks the same about the media (video for Mar. 13, 2004).
ps: I hope that "casual fan" comment was not directed to me :)
Larry Coughlin - March 15, 2004 1:21 pm
Limit the North American player eligibility to Canadian
university grads. Every American NHL'er has played American University hockey where there is no fighting. Keep the Canadian high-school
dropouts out of the NHL, including the high-school drop-outs
like Campbell, Mike Murphy and Kris King
at the head office!
Courtney - March 16, 2004 3:28 am
I, being a Todd Bertuzzi fan, believe the Nhl handed out the proper punishment for what Bertuzzi did except for one part. Why is it open ended? Why does Bertuzzi have to apply for reinstantment next season? That, to me, is just like a judge in court saying, "Well you commited a crime and in the process hurt someone, so in a few years when we see how the victim is fareing we may let you out of jail." It's rediculous and it's stupid. Isn't the fact that Bertuzzi is out for the rest of the season and playoffs enough, and that if the Canucks go out at early in the plaoffs it will hurt Bertuzzi and if they win the Stanely Cup it will also hurt Bertuzzi because he won't get to be apart of that.
And also, Bertuzzi has to explain to his two young children (6 and 4) who probably think the world of their father, like any other 6 or 4 kid, that he did something horrible that he shouldn't have done. Isn't that a good enough punishment? Maybe not but it sure is a good chunk of a punishment.
And the fact that Bertuzzi has to live with the fact that he did something horrible and stupid that might of cost a player his life. And Bertuzzi will have this incident following him around, it will always be there and he may never be the same player again. This may make him a more subduded player.
And grief and regret are very ill-fitting and damaging feelings to have. I've seen friends and classmates (yes I'm still in highschool) uterly emotionly destroyed by such feelings. Some even goin as far as to take their own lives just because they felt they couldn't go on with their feelings of guilt, grief, and regret. How would you feel towards this whole thing if Bertuzzi went that far? Probably not so good especially since many writers and fans who know nothing about hockey have turned Bertuzzi into a monster because of one horrible, bad decision he made. Bet you wouldn't feel so great then, would you?
I don't condone what Bertuzzi did but I support him 144%
Andre - March 28, 2004 6:20 pm
You're behind him 144% huh? You should do a search on this loser! He is far from sorry, and the reason is this: he has been a damn hothead ever since he started playing the game! He hasn't learned a thing, yet you go on like he's a hero? And then people, ahem, sheeple, like you wonder why some get away with murder? Because of idiots like you that treat them like they're gods, put them on a pedestal, 'they cannot do wrong' attitude! Get a god damn clue, would you?
Andre - March 28, 2004 6:40 pm
Here is what I was talking about to the morons that know nothing about Bertuzzi and his attitude/temper. I'm sure he would beat on his wife if he didn't get it out in the game.
This isn't a one-time 'I snapped' kind of determination for Bertuzzi. There is history here. There is a background. There are stories out there to be told.
Like the time in 1991, playing in the Northern Ontario midget championships, when his team was beaten out in the finals by Sault Ste. Marie and he chased the winning team's bus out of the parking lot, swearing and pounding on the windows, out of control.
The next year, his first in the Ontario Hockey League, Bertuzzi missed the end of that season and the beginning of the next when he was suspended 15 games for kicking a Kitchener player.
The year after that, in his own locker room, for no apparent reason other than jealousy, he punched out teammate Jeff O'Neill, who at the time was Guelph's prized first-round pick.
In the NHL, Bertuzzi punched linesman Jean Morin in a 1996 scuffle and ended up suspended for three games before losing 10 more games to suspension for jumping the bench to attack a Colorado player in 2001.
That is a long and nasty docket for a supposed skill player. There are other stories out there and when asked about them earlier this season in Toronto, Vancouver general manager Brian Burke answered: "That's a lot of bull(crap)."
Don Gay - March 31, 2004 12:56 pm
Andre, you list stories, but how can you back them up? Anyone can make up stories, especially when the Bertizzi Bashing Bandwagon rolls into town.
I back Bertuzzi cmopletely, and actually feel more for him than I do for Steve Moore.
Julie McLund - April 4, 2004 5:07 pm
I also back Bertuzzi completly. Bertuzzi was standing up for Markus Naslund, and I respect that 100%.
Bob - April 19, 2004 4:38 am
It comes down to the fact that the NHL allows violence in it's sport, meaning fighting, so I really can't understand how much different this is then fighting? Sure it was a cheap shot! But, I think there are alot of cheap shots in the NHL, in which players get a slap in the wrist. It comes down to the fact that Bertuzzi is really strong and Moore's severe injury. What Bertuzzi actually did, his particular action, doesn't seem relevant in this context.
Katrina - April 19, 2004 4:47 pm
I think that the Bertuzzi's penalties were too much. It was a cheap, unfair shot, I agree, but similar insidents have occured many times before that. I also think that the NHL should have somewhat known that something was going to happen, because everyone was extremely upset that Moore took out Naslund with a concussion. I think that Bertuzzi's penalties should have been reduced a little, and that he should have been allowed to play in the playoffs.
marc - April 21, 2004 5:22 pm
This Todd Bertuzzi incident is yes, been thrown way out of line and I think is somewhat ridiculous what some people are saying. Some people will think that what I am about to say is ridiculous...
Todd Bertuzzi, whether anyone likes it or not, is a great hockey player. He is a tough Domi, but has the scoring touch. (As does Domi as of now in the playoffs) but Bertuzzi gets tons of points and was in the top 10 I believe in points. What am I getting to you ask? He is a rough, beat-him-up guy, but does not bring it to every game, he scrores goals. But it does not matter since the media is crazy. If Gretzsky ever did something like this - not that he would - the media would say O it was an accident, Gretszky is a good guy. Bertuzzi plays a tough game, but its part of hockey. Checking, fighting is all a part of the game, its a way to try and scare or intimidate the other team, so they do not score. But, the way Bertuzzi acted on this, was not-so-great. The punch, ok, was fine whatever. But if you watch the replay in slow-mo, you can see him pushing moore to the ground, and continue punching him. I believe this is why he got suspended. He and all of the Canucks can say their sorry a million times, it will not make a difference to Bertuzzis punishment. Bertuzzi can cry all he wants but he was protecting Naslund he says. HOW? How i ask. By nailing some guy from behind who had no intention to hurt naslund in the first place. If you watch that replay, you can see that he was lunging upwards to hit naslund in the chest but naslund fell and moores knee hit naslunds face.
How is bertuzzi protecting naslund after the naslund incident happened? who cares if had to get revenge, thats not protection, it's revenge.
I am yes, somewhat on the fence here about the punishment and this situation. Bertuzzis punishment I think is quite fair, he only missed the regular season and 7 games that his team lost to calgary. I think if his punishment goes into next year, is just insane. The severeness of moores injury was not bertuzzis, intensions, but more of just a concussion or something, I'm not quite sure.
I think the only further punishment Bertuzzi should be given is he no longer plays against the avalanche or Steve Moore for his sake. the avalanche will not hurt bertuzzi, but certainly play a rough game on bertuzzi, and bertuzzi only. Barnanby and worrel will definitly be playing that game. some off you may think that not playing against the avalanche or moore is crazy, but its fair for both sides.
All and all, bertuzzi should not be charged by the police, that's crazy.
it is somewhat hockey, but i think the suspension will teach him a lesson.
Thankz for reading
Marc Spagnuolo
age 15
Brad McGuire - April 29, 2004 5:10 pm
I think with the Canucks first round loss to Calgary almost a distant memory already, it's time to say the Bertuzzi incident is done and his and the Canucks penalty is DONE! Let's get on with moving forward, Mr. Betman. It's no secret that Wayne Gretzky wants Todd Bertuzzi on his Canadian World Cup team this coming September. Mr. Betman and Mr. Campbell...why not grow some spines, NOW, and reinstate Mr. Bertuzzi in order for it to be possible for Mr. Gretzky to name Todd to the Team Canada roster. I'm not only a Canuck fan, but a die hard hockey fan and a proud Canadian... who wants Bertuzzi on the team.
Shawn - April 29, 2004 6:40 pm
No Way!! Bertuzzi has proven himself that when his temper flares, he will go overboard!!! There is no way I would want a player like that on Team Canada. With the Amount of Canadian Hockey Players there are Bertuzzi is NOT needed. But then I was one that didnt think Fleury should have been on the Olympic roster either (Which he didnt play all that great then either)
Besides, looks like Super Mario will be back and ready to go, thats assuming the NHL Collective Bargaining agreement goes through....Without that no NHLer will be allowed to play in the World Cup!!
Be interesting to see what happens!!
Brad McGuire - April 29, 2004 8:43 pm
Shawn, you obviously don't know what you're talking about! The NHL players are playing in the World Cup tournament and it is not dependant on what happens with the CBA, as the CBA doesn't expire until the day after the World Cup finalgame on Sept. 14th in Toronto.
Have a look at either the TSN or Sportsnet websites. They recently conducted a poll of what players you want to be on the World Cup roster, and out of about 7 or 8 options (which Bertuzzi was one of), over 86% chose Bertuzzi. So, shows you how much you know. Canadians know the type of impact player Bertuzzi can be and they want him on the team.
Amandeep Rai - May 19, 2004 8:00 pm
OKAY FIRST OF ALL THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPEND ONLY IF THE REFFS HAVE HAD GIVEN MOORE A ONE GAME SUSPENSINON OR EVEN A PENLTY FOR THE HIT ON NASLUND. BUT NO THE STUPID REFFS DID NOTHING. AND LOOK AT THE PAST BIG HITS LIKE McSORLY. I WILL COME BACK I AM A LITTLE BUSY RIGHT NOW. BUT I WANT TO SAY ONE THING BEFORE I LEAVE AND THAT IS THAT I'I LOVE BERTUZZI'
Brittany - May 24, 2004 8:49 pm
I dont care that u arent Bertuzzi fans but i happen to be a big one.
I am gettin so sick of u ppl who dont like him complaning about his hit. It was done out of anger and stress. Leave him alone and get on with ur lives!!!!
Its over he payed the time and the fine. Let him have a new start.
Dan - June 4, 2004 12:29 pm
I agree to some extent with both sides of the argument. I agree that yes Bertuzzi probbly should not have sucker punched Steve moore however the fact remains that the punch from behind had little to do with the broken neck. What caused the broken neck was when Moore was actually down on the ice and Worrell from the Avalanche jumped on Bertuzzi. This twisted Moores neck down towards the ice and out to the side which is what actually likely caused the break not the actual punch by Bertuzzi. Therefore, because of this I believe that Bertuzzi needed to be suspended for a maximum of four games for the cheap shot not the 17 regular and all the playoff games as well. If any one needed to be punished it was Worell for being the second person in fight as well as his stupidity in jumping on a teammate injuring him in the process. Bertuzzi has appologized genuinely and I think is truly sorry. Cut the poor guy a break and stop tearing him apart. He is a great Canadian hockey player and I support him 100%.
Joe - June 25, 2004 12:05 pm
I think Bertuzzi should not ever play hockey and he should serve jail time. Think about it, if he was not a hockey player he would be in jail right now serving time it he was just a regular Joe.
I don't think that the crocadile tears do anything but agrevate people. He said he does not play the game that way but he does and he proved he did. All it takes it one time.
Steve - June 26, 2004 8:36 pm
I haven't seen any comments yet that agree with mine, but i have a different opinion from most of you. Tony Granato is an idiot. He shouldn't have played Moore in that last part of the game. It was obvious that someone was going to get him for what happened to Naslund and it's Granato's responsibility to keep Moore off the ice. I think he was trying to aggravate the Canucks by putting him on the ice, with a game that is well out of hand. He is the main reason that all of this happened.
Secondly, Steve Moore should have just turned around and faced Bertuzzi and not try to run away. Hockey is tough, you gotta play tough too... I would think that a player that hasn't really established himself on the Avalanche team would show some character and face his opponent if he is challenged. I guess Moore did show some character by turning away like a sissy. I don't know how many of you watched the game, but it was obvious that Bert was out to get Moore and everyone knew it. Moore should have just turned around and fought... then everyone would be happy.
Hammy - June 26, 2004 10:26 pm
Dan you are the man about time somebody brought up that fact.Why aren`t hey charging Worrel??Their just using using Bert as a an example.
Now Moores ganna file a civil suit.Cmon whats next a guy gets checked to hard next year and gets his ribs bruised and misses a game,will he be able to sue for damages.Man hockey is a physical sport(for any of you here who have actually played the sport)Emotions are all over the board.Like it or not fighting is part of the game and it needs to stay part of the game.
Larry your an idiot,go back to the usa and play hockey dumbass.DDon`t allow peeps without college education to play pro.your crazy man what if the next great player was drop out.Better go and tend to your carpal tunnel loser whiner .
Steve - June 27, 2004 9:24 am
Sorry to break it to you guys, but it wasn't Worrell that jumped on Bert's back... I think it was Nikolishin... but that doesn't really matter.
Aaron - June 28, 2004 3:23 pm
Yeah, obviously what Bertuzzi did was wrong, but I agree that if the NHL slapped a little 1 or 2 game suspension on Moore, none of this would have happened. If you acutally watch the Moore hit, you can see that it could have easily been a suspendable offense. First of all, Naslund never touched the puck. He was skating up to get to it, and then he got hit. If Moore was actually focused on carrying on with the play, he would have taken the puck. He had a chance to go on an odd-man rush if he only turned with the puck and skated up the other direction. He even had the puck on his stick before he hit Naslund, but swiped it away. Moore saw that Naslund was leaning down to get the puck, and thought "Hey, maybe if I hit Naslund I'll get some respect from my teammates and coach...I might even get to play next game!" so he went for it. It was also the way that Moore hit him that unnerved me. I mean if Naslund had just touched the puck and was admiring his pass, then that's Naslund's fault. But Naslund didn't touch the puck, and he was bending over to try and get it. He was in an extremely vulnerable position, and Moore showed no respect for that. He swung his arms across his body and his elbow struck Naslund in the side of the head. The result was Naslund having a concussion, needing stitches, and a hyper-extended elbow that left him needing off-season surgery. Any Canucks fan saw that Naslund couldn't shoot the puck with nearly the same velocity or accuracy after that hit. I heard from some Tampa Bay fans after Moore's hit on Naslund that a few games ago Moore had hit Martin St. Louis from behind into the boards, and they were really mad about that, and they also wanted to see Moore suspended. But the NHL didn't suspend him, they didn't even penalize him on the play, and now look at the mess we're in.
timmynator - July 12, 2004 5:49 pm
Bertuzzi is the best player ever. All of the rest can make him a pedazo de paja, and he will just laugh of their stupid faces.
Go, Tuzzi!!! you are the best
Cotufo´s Hunter - July 12, 2004 6:00 pm
I think Bertuzzi doesn´t deserve any kind of sanction for his action, it´s a game's happen and it must be judged. If you are not enough man to fight in the ice, just play basketball like the mariconfollaniños Kobe Briant
Tyler - July 12, 2004 6:47 pm
Moore deserved what he got!! Bertuzzi was just getting him back for hitting Naslund. Bertuzzi obviously didn't mean to break his neck, but just to get him back for waht he did.
Maricomplejines - July 13, 2004 5:17 pm
I guan tu protestate for the sanction tu tuchi , yesterdei tuchi guon de mach guiz chu goals tu neu llork team aupa tuchi.
Zapatero no es hetero - July 13, 2004 5:23 pm
that´s true, and the rest of the team is green green green lamps-tenders ass-lickers from three to four
Tuchi is the man, among men.
Tim - July 18, 2004 1:18 am
OK people, Remember
Sports is all about Money...Media...and...Hype
Any time there is an incident like this everybody wins, except the players.
Todd Bertuzzi broke the rules, but so fucking what. After all it is hockey, breaking or bending the rules is what sports are all about.
I love hockey for this very reason, its fast, furious, and brutal, everybody that knows anything about hockey is well aware if this. If you dont understand it you are NOT a true hockey fan.
Colorado plays a big part in all of this, What was Steve moore doing on the ice that late in the game??? After the naslund hit? the comments in the media prior to this game? You know the Colorado coach told him to go out and take one for the team, knowing full well that somebody was likely to do something, And he did. If they were really concerned about this human being he would of been in the lockeroom showering that late in the game, with that lead. GUILTY!
The Media has to jump on whatever Violent headlines come across the wire, soley for ratings, Never researched, all hearsay and speculation. I hate the media for this.
As far as violence in sports goes, ever seen a football game, how do those guys get all bloodied up, ass pats??? I think not.
Baseball?? I think it was stated further up, 100 mile an hour fast ball at the head??
Basketball?? Pushing, shoving, elbows, pinches, punches, brawls, all in a non contact sport, ever seen Shaq underneath??
even soccer has some pretty rough stuff going on.
Put a uniform on a man and you will have violence.
Todd Bertuzzi was crucified for the sake of the americanization of hockey. And i hope hockey survives with everything going on.
A dual citizen.
Roger - August 3, 2004 5:30 pm
First off, noone seems to be mentioning the fact that the whole entire play up until the hit, Moore was constantly all over Bertuzzi -- pulling on his shirt and trying to instigate a fight every time Bertuzzi had the puck. (The whole damned game!) But leave it to the media to leave that out heh! When the puck went down ice, Moore finally left Bertuzzi alone, but not without enfuriating him first. (It pissed me off just watching Moore trying to get the better of Bertuzzi, whom I thought was incredibly composed during the whole game considering we were losing and Moore was being an a-hole and trying to get something going with Bertuzzi.) That is when Bertuzzi skated after Moore.
Now with the score 9 - 2, everyone, and I mean everyone knew that a fight or two was coming. (And if you didn't, then you really don't know hockey that well!) And in all honesty, I knew it would be with Bertuzzi and Moore, what I didn't expect was that Moore would turn away after all that instigation and not want to get it on with Betuzzi. (I mean come on, what the hell was all the crap you were doing to Bertuzzi in the first place? If you didn't want to start something with the big guy, then leave him the hell alone. Why pick on a big dog when you know that the game is already over [9-2], and then skate away after you started it?) That is probably what Bertuzzi was thinking too. So I will just give him a little jab to get his attention and....well, we all know the rest of the story.
Being an old hockey player myself and knowing that the game gets incredibly heated, injuries and fights are common because of tempers. When a team is losing 9 - 2, that already is a built up pressure of anger for any team.
I am not necessarily defending Bertuzzi's actions, but I can sure understand them as I have been in several games like that myself, in a non-professional capacity. But that is hockey...violence and hiting and fighting are what hockey is all about for some people. Sure we all like to watch skilled players getting the points, but for me, nothing is better then a good old hit, which can often times injury someone. Players in professional sports who get paid much, much more then the average man like myself, are well aware of the dangers they face when stepping on the ice, or diamond or ring. It is terrible that injuries happen, but they do happen, and for those who think it isn't part of the game, time for you to wake up. If you want a non-contact sport where noone is injured, then try ballet or something less interesting. Because in competitive sports, and I must highlight the word COMPETITIVE, you must do your all to win the game. If you give anything less, you shouldn't be there in the first place.
If you want a sport where there is no injuries, no hitting, no instigations, no jabbing, no foulplay, then you had better like checkers or chess, because every other sport has those things I have just listed. (Well maybe not golf, but sometimes John Daily gets a little rough out there when he is not hitting what he wants too).(He likes to throw his clubs).
All of that said, I feel that the Bertuzi punishment was too severe. I understand that Moore may be cripled, he may never play again, he may never be the same player again...however, lets look at what might have happend to Naslund if Moore was even a millimetre higher with his knee. Naslund "may" have been seriously injured, more so then Moore. Then Naslunds' career would have been over, however, there was no penalty called on Moore, so things would have gone very different for Moore then for Bertuzzi. (With no penalty being called against Moore, the league would probably just have dismissed it as a bad luck kind of thing. I can guarentee that it would not have gone nearly as badly for Moore as it did for Bertuzzi.) Yet that play was, in my mind, much more malicious then what Bertuzzi did. But the refs didn't see it that way, or maybe chose not too. But that was not considered at all during the Bertuzzi suspension. It just so happened that he got a cheap shot in, when it comes down to it, that is all that happened. Nothing more. A fellow teammate of Moore's did the most damage by falling on Bertuzzi, who then fell on Moore. If Bertuzzi wasn't tackled from behind, the injury may never had occured. So why blame Bertuzzi alone when others contributed to the injury. And then to punish Betuzzi with 12 or so regular season games, and the playoffs, plus an additional $500,000. What the hell kind of message are they trying to get across exactly? In what could have been a record playoff year for Vancouver, instead they were forced to revamp thier lineups almost over night and this in my opinion made the difference for us this year. With Bertuzzi in the line up, things would have been great. Instead we had to bow out in the first round to a Calgary team that beat us with consistency, something we didn't have after the Bertuzzi loss. It really crippled us to not have Bertuzzi there with us, but that was the punishment they sent down for him. But he has severed that, and now he has to apply for re-instatement, that alone is the biggest joke I have ever heard. He has paid his dues, to the league and to society. (I am not even going to comment on the charges the police have placed on him because that is a joke too.) And now he may never put skates on again for the NHL. That would be the real crime here. It was a mistake that was made in the heat of the moment. One second was all it took, and I hope that is all that Gary Bettman needs to re-instate Betuzzi.
I hope that Moore is alright and plays again speaking as a human being, but it is a lesson learned for him, you want to play rough with the big boys, you can't skate away and assume he won't chase you down to try and get the same response from you. Think about it Moore, after all, you started it. You have to take the punishment.
Go Vancouver, all the way in 2004/2005 with Bertuzzi and Nasland leading our charge!!!
Hines - August 27, 2004 5:22 pm
I am not a an intense hockey follower. I do enjoy the game when I can and I happened to be watching the game when the Bert/Moore incident occurred. I hae read all the previous comments and I noticed that no one mentioned one thing. After the sneak punch, Bert had moore by the back of his jersey and rode him down into the ice. Has anyone thought that this possibly caused the broken neck.
I also am a firm believer in the old saying 'an eye for an eye!' If Moore's way of earning a living, to feed his family, is finish, Bert's should be too.
Hines - August 27, 2004 5:24 pm
I think it's called intent with malice!
Taylor - August 27, 2004 10:54 pm
When Bertuzzi apoligized to Moore on National TV that took guts. He stood up in front of the media and apoligized I thought 'Man, i could never do that.' Then Bertuzzi again stood up in court and pled: NOT GUILTY. So to everyone out there that says that he is guilty and should be convicted, put yourself in his shoes and think how you would feel. I am supporting Bertuzzi all the way. Bertuzzi is my favorite player and idol. He is a great player.
Hines - August 28, 2004 6:34 pm
He better apologize and then some to save his butt. If he showed no remorse they would crucify him. If he is not guilty, why is he apologizing other than to save his butt. I have no doubt he is a great player but he also is a lousy human being. CHeap shots are common is hockey, but that was no cheap shot. It was an assasination attempt. Real terrorism to the max with the intent to do permanent damage even though at the time he was reacting on adrenalin.
Todd - September 25, 2004 9:04 pm
hines i see you dont follow hockey..
Hines - October 12, 2004 10:06 pm
Todd. No, I don't follow it on a regular basis. I'm too busy. I see it when I can. But I think it is an amazing sport. I just think that if you hit someone from behind is very cowardly and to then ride him to the ice from behind is about as low as you can ago.
Hines - October 12, 2004 10:21 pm
I also believe in and eye for and eye........ If the man loses hiw means of supporting his family and is also bedridden for life, someone should pay the penalty with his career. This incident cannot be compared to any other.
Hines - October 12, 2004 10:23 pm
All you hockey fans out there. If something like this happened to you, how would you feel. Eye for and eye?
Mike - October 13, 2004 2:30 pm
Todd threatened him weeks before and followed thru. It was not a heat of the moment attack. It was planned and pre-meditated. He is a criminal period.
C.-MAIRENA - October 13, 2004 5:11 pm
Mai frien Gudepajapincho jave a muñeco tuchi vodoo to mata a to lo judge que condenaron a tuchi.
Billy Eliot setocamientrasbaila - October 15, 2004 1:36 pm
I am Gudepajapincho, it´s true that I´ve got a Tuzzi action figure, it moves the head like saying "I´m not guilty, society is the Real Guilty in all this fake polemic" but I do not make vodoo with it, I only use it in sexual games, but it´s so embarrasing to explain it here, this forum is read by kids, and they have enough punishment with Michael Jackson´s hobbies.
Free Bertuzzi - October 18, 2004 7:12 pm
FREE BERTUZZI. they should jail steve moore for being a weener instead
Chris - October 28, 2004 2:00 am
Some of you make extreamly valid points i am a huge Canucks fan and an even bigger bertuzzi fan. Yes what he did was wrong and he payed the price the Canucks were a big contender for the cup and after they lost bertuzzi well the pritty much lost the cup (thats just what i think). The Bertuzzi/moore incident was to be expected and for all you stupid fucks that think bertuzzi should go to jail you can go fuck your self hell if bertuzzi should go to jail so should moore for assulting Naslund for that was just as cheep as bertuzzi's hit on him no he didnt break naslund's neck but he did give him a concussion and that can sometimes be almoste as serious. and a nother thing if moore wasnt such a pussy and faced bertuzzi and took his beating like a man then he would be fine well other than maby missing a few teeth and a black eye if your gonna bug a mad dog expect it to bite you and that is exactly what happened moore pissed bertuzzi off and he payed.
Chris - October 28, 2004 2:01 am
and a nother thing if your gonna pick on bertuzzi why not go after the players that are constantly fighting
Hines - November 6, 2004 2:57 pm
Chris,
Your statement "bertuzzi's hit on him no he didnt break naslund's neck but he did give him a concussion and that can sometimes be almost as serious", is ridiculous. Your comparing what could have happened to what did happen. Wake up and smell the roses dude. I know you are having a hard time facing reality but "what the man did was real bad. That's why the media and other folks want the max penalty to be paid by Bertuzzi. I know if he had it to do again, he would have done it differently but he made the decision to do it his way and we all know you pay for your own bad decisions. I hope they ban him from play as long as Moore is incompacitated.
Chris - November 7, 2004 7:22 pm
Hines you obviously dont know how bad a concussion can be it can take years to totaly recover from a concussion and the chances of Bertuzzi's hit on moore breaking his neck is very slim his neck was broken either when he hit the ice but moste likely when every one jumped on top of the two
Canucks Peep - November 16, 2004 2:48 pm
A message to hines,
YOUR THE WEINER AND YOU SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR IT!
Moores attack on Naslund (My favorite player) was just as cowardly and out of line and I'd say that this whole thing (Naslunds injury and the break up of the Tuzzi Morrison and Naslund line) might have cost Naslund the scoring race and the MVP.
Tuzzi is innocent and hines is a WEINER!
MacSorleys attack was worse than Tuzzis and HE GOT OFF!
(HINES IS A WEINER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(TUZZI ROCKS!)
(NASLUND IS MVP)
(IGINLA SUCKS PINEAPPLES)
(GO CANUCKS!)
(HINES IS A WEINER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
and Iginla sucks PINEAPPLES!!!
chris - November 23, 2004 5:29 am
LMAO @ canucks peep i totaly agree with you naslund and tuzze ROCK they are hocky gods
FREE BERTUZZI - December 17, 2004 9:59 pm
chris and peep have excellent points, it can be agreed that Moore is a gutless cockface and should be like any hockey player and fight, not run like a weiner rookie. The cops would be gay to charge Bertuzzi
Chris - December 20, 2004 5:28 am
and hines you seriously need to jump OFF the media band wagon the are a bunch of cock suckin fudgepackin ass monkies that will try as hard as they possibly can to fuck as many peoples lives up and they definatly DO NOT need any more help and it is obvious the media has corupted your small brain TUZZE ROCKS CANUCKS FOR CUP
FREE BERTUZZI - December 22, 2004 1:27 am
haha bitches, bert aint going to jail. werd ya. Canucks for cup
chris - December 24, 2004 6:32 pm
just a bunch of comunity service bull shit 1 yer probation and he cant play in any sporting event that moore is playing in
Some Guy In Not In Canada - December 26, 2004 8:37 am
What I find interesting about this entire debate are the comments posted on this board; generally the people that are decrying this incident are presenting articulate, cogent arguements as to why Todd Bertuzzi should be more severely punished than he has been, and those who are obviously Canucks fans who are bemoaning what they see as unfair "punishment" of their "hero" are making statements that look like they have been written by semi-literates.
Here's a hint; if you can't follow the basic rules of using the language you have been born with, then its highly unlikely you are capable of higher-level functions like abstract thought, logic and reason. All of you grammar-challenged idiots who truly believe that Todd Bertuzzi didn't mean deliberate harm are living in a dream world.
What seems to be missing from this discussion of what is an appropriate punishment or not is that there is a simple, undeniable fact: sport is a very small part of society and culture, and as such it is governed by the same rules that govern the rest of the society or culture. Hockey exists because society and culture exist, not the other way around-hockey is not some sort of autonomous entity for which the rules and regulations that govern the society are somehow not applicable to it.
All of this talk that hockey is best left to police itself is utter crap; a hockey player is a member of society and as such is entitled to the same protections afforded to all members of society-whether he is on the ice in an arena or not. The rules of law in a society extend to all and every area of society; hockey is not above this determination. Does a hockey player enter a hockey rink with the explicit understanding that he is not protected from harm by the very laws of society that protect him everywhere else? Of course he doesn't, but the B.C. court system certainly made a mockery of that assumption didn't they.
So, to make sure I understand the illogic of some of the people posting on this board, its okay to assault someone causing bodily harm in a hockey rink but its wrong to assault them anywhere else. Its okay to break someone's neck in a hockey arena but its criminal to do it anywhere else in Canadian society?
Some people on this board need to spend more time learning how to speak and write clearly than trying to consider weighty topics that are clearly beyond their intellectual level. In other words, spend more time stuyding and less time making yourselves look like the imbeciles you are.
chris - January 3, 2005 4:01 am
that may be true that hockey players are part of society BUT they play the game knowing that they could get hurt morres injuries serious as they are could have been prevented many diffrent ways the AV's coach knowing that some one was going to get moore could have benched him the canucks coach should have benched bert knowing that he would be the one to avenge nazlund the refs in the previous game should have suspendid moore for a game for his hit on nazlund OR moore could have fought bert like a man (stupid yes honerable and proper (for hockey)yes))bert missing the rest of the season was punishment enough but no moore had to show that he was an even biger winer by geting a restraning order against him and all the media bullshit bert is facing is also bad enough
and another thing hockey dose have its owne rules like every other job (yes hockey is a job) compare any other job (non sport) like an office job where you DO NOT wear pads and helmits or body check people or fight (you would be fired for checking and fighting) but in hockey you are encouraged to check and fight on occasion and fighting you get 5min in a box to cool off so ya i do think hockey has its owne rules
Lori - January 18, 2005 10:21 pm
Why can't everyone just leave Todd Bertuzzi alone? He did his time which in my opion was way too much. He didn't cauze that injury, maybe Steve Moore shouldn't have ran away like a scared little bitch. The nhl is no place for pussies! I think they should leave hockey alone and let the boys play the way they are now. I was not a fan of Todd's but I sure am now. Let him play and get on with his life.
Free Bertuzzi - January 22, 2005 7:10 pm
sorry we don't have spell check on our computers, some moron not in Canada. since you don't live here you don't know the politics of Hockey. It is a mans game and steve moore is clearly not a man and therefore should have found another job like law teacher or sucking cocks. Bertuzzi (and the avalanche teammates who jumped on moore) were just putting that pussy in his place. The appropriate penalty for bert was a suspension, and he got a very harsh one, which will hopefully be over soon.
Laszlo Panaflex - February 18, 2005 3:32 pm
Fuck Todd Bertuzzi.
He said he was out to get Steve Moore. He stalked him (watch the play), sucker-punched him from behind, then drove the man's head into the ice. The hit had nothing to do with hockey.
Moore's career is over. He says he is determined to come back, but he can still barely walk. Bertuzzi deliberately attacked Moore with the intent to injure him. The appropriate penalty was jail.
Here's hoping that the league never comes back and that Bertuzzi loses every penny he has to Moore in the civil lawsuit filed yesterday.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/avalanche/article/0,1299,DRMN_39_3557869,00.html
Bertuzzi's co-defendant in the case, Brad May, said about Moore:
"There's definitely a bounty on his head. . . . It's going to be fun when we get him." Wish I could be on the jury that "gets" Moore and May.
Free Bertuzzi - February 23, 2005 5:38 pm
Fuck You,
why would you be in this forum if you dont even want the NHL to exist or come out of lockout. Steve Moore isnt even trying to recover, he's just being a sad bitch because his own team doesnt support him and cut him. Naslund sums it up well in an article on the TSN website (www.tsn.ca). I hope if Steve Moore ever makes it back in the league that he gets reinjured promptly
chris - February 25, 2005 4:32 pm
damn some people are just plain STUPID no 2 ways about that *cough Laszlo Panaflex *cough* moore is fuckin fine the stupid little bitch is just milkin it for all its worth oh no he has a busted neck it will heal and i remember seeing naslund hauled off the ice after moore elbowed him in the head giveing him a concussion makeing him miss a few games resulting in him loseing the scoring race that hit was just as cheep (If not more so) than brts hit on him and a nother thing NO ONE and i mean NO ONE can prove what broke moor's neck the hit may have rendered him unconsious but that didnt do it his head bouncing off the ice maby good posibility but the real damage was more than likly done when his team members dog piled him and bert soooooo shouldnt those people who jumped on top also stand trial like bert did shouldnt they get suspended shouldnt they have to face the medias constant attacks and the NHL shall be back
Free Bertuzzi - February 25, 2005 6:40 pm
chris definately has some good points such as "plain STUPID...*cough* Laszlo Panaflex *cough*"
Ray Bell - March 10, 2005 7:27 pm
Maybe I saw a different game.
Bertuzzi did blind side the idiot who did worse a few minutes earlier.
Take a real good look at the video.
The damage, as far as I can see, come from the "idiots" own team mates
jumping on him in a pile and not from Bertuzzi.
Why have those other idiots not been charged for the actual damage they
did to their own idiot team mate.
Plus the idiot is the master of his own fate from doing the stupid things
he has done.
Bertuzzi is the fall guy period. Thanks and look at the replay. Ray
Free Bertuzzi - March 20, 2005 7:21 pm
ya, Moore aka "the idiot" should be suing his own team because they they injured him too he could claim that they were part of the "conspiracy" that he has wrongly accused Crawford, Burke, May, Bertuzzi and the Canucks ownership
Laszlo Panaflex - April 18, 2005 9:20 pm
Everyone seems to be an expert on Moore's medical condition.
Any evidence he's doing fine?
'Bye, Bye Bertuzzi'
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/WinnipegSun/Sports/2005/04/17/1000641-sun.html
Runaway Moore - April 26, 2005 11:51 am
Moore takes a blindside leap at Naslund and for but a fraction of an inch he does not "severely" injure him...jump foreward: Bertuzzi calling Moore on well inside the blueline to "go" and the pussy pretends not to hear and won't "face the music". It actually begins prior to the both of them turning to go back up the ice. Bert, at one point is going to drop his gloves, but Moore runs. The problem I have is I don't think Moore has ever thought, or wished, that he should have taken Bertuzzi on. For that reason he doesn't belong in the league and should not have been there....as for his condition: A severe case of "footsteps". Flinches when the hostess calls his name to let him know that his table is ready. Flinches when the starter calls his name at the first tee. Very sad, could be life long...
Laszlo Panaflex - April 26, 2005 1:12 pm
Bertuzzi ran into him is all? Bullocks. He sucker-punched Moore in the head, jumped up on his back and drove his face into the ice. "Bert" pleaded guilty in court to committing a criminal offense and is now on the equivalent of probation.
The media, the league, the Canadian courts, the national team, everyone is out to get poor, misunderstood Tood. It's all Moore's fault. Boo-fucking-hoo.
When are you guys going to stop crying and accept that your guy committed a crime and is now paying the consequences?
Runaway Moore - April 26, 2005 2:14 pm
I agree that he committed a "match penalty"...When are you guys going to agree there is no room in hockey for "pussys" that try to injure but won't face the music went they are called for their actions. Keep the game on the ice and not in the courts.....Poor Moore, faces a lifetime of regret for not having the balls to defend his action on the ice and now has to resort to the courts. I hope he is compensated accordingly as he has proven he doesn't have the courage to be man enough to do it on his own.
TC Hockey - April 27, 2005 4:37 pm
There have been a number of articles on this issue lately and some have had comment sections. There really is a lot of support for Bertuzzi and I am not sure if it is aligned along team lines but it does appear to be at least to me. I have no favorite here - Bertuzzi, Moore, Vancouver or the Avalanche. I do think very strongly that Bertuzzi acted like an animal intending to inflict injury (others have pointed out it was the second time the teams met and it was near the end of a game etc..). I am convinced it was intentional and I am equally conviced he should not be allowed to play in the NHL or any other organized league ever. I am astounded that he is allowed to play charity games - the charities that allow him to affiliate his name with them will not get my support. I've watched hockey since the early '50s and I've seen some pretty bad fights. I've also seen some injuries inflicted too but not as furious as this was. Even when Lemieux hit Draper face first into the boards you could tell he did not mean it. Sure McCarty made him pay but not the vengefull way Bertuzzi hit Moore. McCarty looked over and said do wanna go and they went. Bertuzzi maimed Moore from behind and then said "Guess he didn't want to fight after all. I'm sorry can I still play though?" I'm not advocating Bertuzzi sit out until Moore can play himself. I say don't even consider bringing him back. Do you want to see how fans feel? Let someone organize a trial with fans as the jury. I can't serve though because the night he did it I decided he shouldn't be in the game.
Laszlo Panaflex - April 27, 2005 5:26 pm
Shorter RM: â??Waaah, itâ??s all Mooreâ??s fault!â? Thank you for illustrating exactly what I said earlier.
It wasnâ??t Moore who indicted Buzz in the British Columbia courts. It wasnâ??t Moore who prosecuted him. And Moore had nothing to do with him pleading guilty to criminal assault. If your guy canâ??t do the time, he shouldnâ??t have done the crime.
And your logic that Buzz had to commit the assault because Moore wouldnâ??t fight him is truly dazzling. When courts recognize that logic, rapists, murderers, and thugs everywhere will rejoice!
If the NHL embraces that logic, it will simply alienate more fans. As I wrote to the league office the night of the game, "I wouldn't want to take a child to see such a violent attack." The refs lost control of that game early on, and as the Avs built a big lead, the game devolved into a brawl. If the league is going to go back to the old Flyers-Slap Shot days, it will lose even more franchises than it already stands to. As if the league doesn't have enough problems right now.
Runaway Moore - April 27, 2005 6:29 pm
TC and Lazlo......Hockey is a very fast physical game especially at the highest levels. Could you imagine that kind of speed in football and what kind of result you would get from the contact? How come in baseball everytime there is a brush-off pitch the benches empty? Because the potential result of the action could cause serious damage. Now the two of you probably reached a level of hockey ability that equates to loosing to your sister in 1 vs 1 drive-way shinny. That's okay. Hockey has room for fans like you that don't really understand the game but need more action then the alternative team sports out there......Now, what Bertuzzi did was not wrong. The result was. If Bert had just knocked him down and labelled him a pussy and quiter for not answering up to his actions of running Naslund then we would be looking for other articles to voice our views. Also Moore would have been sent to the minors to learn the code to possibly be given another chance at a later date (doubtful though as once you run scared you probably always do). Unfortunately Moore recived what we have to believe is a serious injury. Personally I think due to a lack of skill he is going to milk this for all it is worth. Moore did not have a long career in the NHL as a result of being blessed with not enough skill (or balls as we all agree)......If you get a chance to check the rule book you will see that fighting is a 5 minute penalty in hockey. It happens. Also there is an unwritten code amoungst these athletes, that starts long before you get to the NHL, that skilled players are protected. If a "fringe" player like Moore wants to try and do damage to a Naslund than he knows he is going to have to answer the call ( I truly hope that he wishes he did)...... There will be people like you who want to ruin someones career because a result of their actions is not acceptable. I say fine him, give some of his next years salary to kids hockey and drop the instigator rule so that the skilled players in the NHL can be protected like Gretzky, Orr, Lafleur and all the others were......And i will state that I am not a Canucks fan, nor a real fan of Bertuzzi. I am a hockey fan who played and believes in a tough physical game with a code that needs to be followed.....Final word: Moore did not deserve to be injured but he did have a chance to answer the call, he didn't, and now he lives with it...out
Free Bertuzzi - April 28, 2005 2:16 am
I agree with RM. Moore was clearly not adhering to the code of sporting conduct-> to respect team leaders and respectable or skilled players or face the concequences of fighting basically whoever the victims team throws at him. I think Bertuzzi has paid a much higher concequence than most athletes would have for a sporting attack and should be reinstated. I feel that Moore is leaching the situation because he got cut from the Avs because they didnt want a disrespectful marginal player like Moore. Unfortunelty this may not matter because the NHL is in much deaper trouble with labour disputes and for that I have become even more concerned with the survival as a league as a whole.
Runaway Moore - April 28, 2005 1:37 pm
"Moore" proof: Moore's Lawyer, Tim Danson, was contacted Dec 3 by the Crown about his victim impact statement. Danson contacted the Crown on Dec 8th saying they would have it on the 10th. Moore was informed by Crown Counsel, Garth Loeppky, on Dec 17th that a Dec 22 plea bargin was in the works. An offer to fly Moore to Vancouver was given to Danson at that time. When Moore did not show up for the hearing Loeppky stated to the court, "at this time the reasons for Mr. Moore's not coming to Vancouver are not entirely clear to me." Danson had rushed a representative to the hearing and states, "this throws victims' rights back to the stone age" with his claim that they were not given enough time to be prepared and to arrive in Vancouver......It seams to me that Moores legal leadership is leading the "milking" and story telling.......and just recently Danson told the Toronto Star that Moore would not stand in the way of Bertuzzi being reinstated in time for the world championships yet Danson and Moore show up in New York to give a 5-6 hr presentation that included Moore's neuroligist stating that Moore is now in danger of developing premature dementia.....if you ask me, as a result of the facts above, Moore's Lawyer (Danson) was diagnosed by Moore's neuroligist and not Moore.....This is going to be entertaining for years to come......and on another note, FREE BERTUZZI has a number of excellent opinions stated above. I would like to add that Moore getting cut from the Avs also had to do with ability. 3 seasons (8), (4), and (57) games respectivley and 12 pts total with a -9 on a above .500 team.
hockey fan - August 8, 2005 7:47 pm
Bertuzzi is a coward and an idiot with a mentality of a 10 yr old. To viciously attack a player from behind, ruin his career and then cry in public about it means he is a piece of sh*t that should not be allowed to skate again. I mean, what a boner, what a moron...boohooo, violent jock boy cant control his emotions...never grew up. Screw him and his family. Multimillionaire spoiled brats that they are...boohoo, toddy boy cant control his anger...toddy boy is a coward...toddy boy can rot in hell.
hockey fan
Bertuzzi Freed! - August 15, 2005 12:57 am
Steve Moore is the real baby and the brat and the coward. Running away from a fight like that and crying because he isnt good enough to play NHL level hockey so he sues the Canucks organization for conspiracy because he is a baby brat. His career was already ruined because he wasnt good enough and the avs didnt want a cheap shot.
Runaway Moore - August 16, 2005 3:04 pm
hockey fan; That was pathetic.....mind you if you are an 8 year old your statements may be noticed at recess.
Bertuzzi rocks - September 23, 2005 12:11 am
Chris, free bertuzzi, and runaway moore, u guys are the only ones taht know what you're talkin about, bertuzzi's penalty was a fuckin joke, hes a rough, tough, physical hockey player, and thats what hes known for, i hope he comes back and kicks everyones asses, cuz hes amazing, and hines, you are a dumb fuck u stupid weener, have u ever seen a hockey game, or do u just liten to people talk u dumb ass
Bertuzzi Freed! (aka Free Bertuzzi) - October 1, 2005 5:04 am
amen! and i await the coming season
cleveland sucks - October 9, 2005 10:17 pm
hey i thin todd bertuzzi should die
Di dyersfano - October 11, 2005 2:34 pm
Dear stupid cleveland sucks , if you say black back black all day..... in two words , chupa mela , tontolculo. Bertuzzi is god in this world and carod rovira is a poor dwarf with bigote (no in the cipote) , and the zp lametraserillos of 3 and quarter and you a vulgar mariconplejin.
Runaway Moore - October 14, 2005 10:27 am
Colorado just threw out the Moore lawsuit. He will probably now attempt to file in Vancouver.....Not 2 sure what Di was trying to say above but I think it was "pro bert" so good on ya!
Clevelend sucks needs calming meds and a rubber room.
John Redmond - October 14, 2005 10:04 pm
I think All this doesn't matter.. Did moore really do ANYTHING for his team anyway.
jenny - October 16, 2005 2:40 am
moore did didly squat except maybe hmmmmmmm..... NOTHING!!!!!And the judge feels the same way too.Go Bert go!!!!!!!good luck moore for trying in the canadian courts, you babyyyy!!!!
laheinz - October 21, 2005 1:40 pm
What a pile of crap, defending Bertuzzi. He is a spoiled out of control gong show. Can't wait to watch him try to face his former teammate Don Brahear, then we will see how tough Toddy is? He'll go down as fast as his wife does on the Canuck Team.
Ben - October 27, 2005 3:33 pm
You know what "Free Bertuzzi" anyone that thinks moore is a dick can suck my dick. Bertuzzi is a fucker!! moore had is neck broken and might not be able to play again. so you idiots that think Bertuzzi is a great person your a dumb ass! and wow there are only like 2 people that are good people here everyone else are FUCKERS!! if you had your neck broken you would act the same way. he wasnt even rich yet and he has to pay for his hospital bills and hes not getting paid right now so yeah. fuck you all that like the cunuks and Bertuzzi. GO avs!!!!!!!!!!
Karl Mikrut - October 29, 2005 6:48 pm
I went to my first NHL game when I was nine. I'm forty-five now and I like the new rules of the NHL. I like "Goons" (My favorite- Jack Carlsen-North Stars-the guy couldn't skate or score but he never lost a fight), howerver, I realize that when pinball-football or arena football beats out hockey(in the TV ratings), changes must be made. As far as a reply to Moore being a "bitch", maybe yes, maybe no. Put Toddy B. in an Atlanta Max. Prison and we will find out who is singing "ole man river". I am a quadripalegic, so if anyone wants to beat on my butt-come to 74 East 8th, Winona, MN 55987. Glad to see hockey back. What's the price of a lifetime of dreaming?
runaway moore - October 29, 2005 10:04 pm
Ben is right, Moore isn't a dick, he's a pussy, and unfortunately we are all posting in this room as a result of him not turning and facing the music that Bertuzzi wanted to play for him. If he doesn't coward from Bertuzzi, drops the gloves like a man, maybe gets a broken nose, and we get a great highlight on TSN, but no! He doesn't answer the call and pays the price. Typical yank fag. If they don't have the advantage going in they hide like kittens.... Ben you must be a kitten!
laheinz - October 31, 2005 2:22 pm
Coward from Bertuzzi, tough to do when you get suckered from behund. Bertuzzi has a history of suckering from behind, if you knew anything about hockey you would see this. Yank fag, real tough talk, are you from Bertuzzi's home town? I here he did all the guys in Ontario in his junior days, just as I said his wife has done the whole Canuck team.
Bertuzzi Freed! - November 9, 2005 10:17 pm
I've watched a lot of Canuck games and I have never seen Bert sucker anyone, I think you are mistaken heinz. Jumping off the bench after a whistle does not count as a sucker punch! Ben, I dont feel sorry that Moore has to pay hospital bills, if were in Canada, he would not have to as we have a social system. I'm happy that Moore isnt rich enough because when he loses his case against the Canucks in Ontario, because Denver rejected him again Moore will be living on the street and I can spit on him. Moore will be pretty lonely then, so you can, since you are so so good at it, suck his dick. As for Bert facing Donald Brashear, wont happen, Brashear is a good, Bert was just sticking up for his friend and teammate and putting a coward in his place, so dont expect this "fight" you predict.
runaway moore - November 11, 2005 9:51 pm
La heinz: if you watch the replay, Bertuzzi calls him on going from the blueline to the net and then all the way out to center ice before he "suckers" him. If the little pussy had answered the call he wouldn't be hoping that your USA court system would be able to make him rich because we sure know his hockey ability or toughness wont (actually he got stuffed in Colorado so now he's trying to sue in Canada).....as for your "he's done these guys" and "his wife does the canucks"; you are such a loser! Bring something that is real and makes sense to the table or go back to being a little american loser....play baseball, or polo, or yauchting, but stay out of hockey.
Jordan - November 14, 2005 4:03 am
ok this shit has been going on for a long time but I finally wanted to comment. first off i think it's absolute crap how in ever stadium Bert goes into they boo him, everytime he gets the puck all you can hear is the booing. Sure he did that to Moore and hurt him but his appology showed how sorry he was. And no to mention, how many times in anyones life do they do something they didn't really mean, like say the wrong thing at the same time, or hit someone because your angry about something. I know I've had my fair share of mistakes, Bert was looking out for his best friend/team mate and he did it in the wrong way. He made a huge mistake and he suffered for it....but thats no reason to treat him like crap. Bert is a pretty sensative guy, now I wonder how it would feel to have thousands of people booing me all at the same time....
Bertuzzi Freed! - November 17, 2005 2:37 pm
what is with all that booing? it's not like bert did anything to their players (except all the ones he's destroyed on the forecheck like Jackman.) If anything, the Avs should be boo'd because they let their marginal players head hunt top players on other teams.
laheinz - November 21, 2005 11:42 pm
Only stupid Vancouver fans would cheer a goon look Bertuzzi, probably it is the only thing they ever have to cheer about. Look they are doing good, but we all know if anyone knows how to choak it is Vancouver. Booing is the least fans should do throughout the league, a criminal, a bum, a poor excuse for a bush league player, Bertuzzi fits them all. By the way RunAway Moore, I saw Bertuzzi put out a player from junior hockey for life. I am a Canadian and have seen more ice time than little weasels like you.
tj - November 28, 2005 9:27 pm
Anyone who bashes bertuzzi is obviously not a hockey fan.
Simply because if you are a hockey fan, you have a favorite team, that team employees a good, tough, mean, son of a bastich who is going to go out and do what the coach\owners tell him to do.
So, if you dont like BIG BERT, stop watching hockey all together, because he, all alone, sums up what it is to be a canadien hockey STAR.
Maybe you all should start watching figure skating, (oh, they use billy clubs) how about curling, thats a nice safe sport everyone can enjoy
GO BERTUZZI, GO CANUCKS
Keep the boo's coming, bert and I love it. It drives us out of our funk.
p.s. I proudly wear a bertuzzi jersey to show my support.
A TRUE hockey fan.
Tj
p.s.s. It dont matter were you are from, I too am Canadien
Bertuzzi Freed! - December 6, 2005 2:41 pm
If anyone doesn't know how to spell "choke" it is laheinz. Maybe instead of watching so much hockey, you should go to school. Vancouver, sn't even a choke team, we just have an incompetant goal tender who chokes, no one else does. Bertuzzi would not be repeatedly called "the best power forward in the league" right now if he was a bush hockey player. I would say you are definately a bum compared to him, saying he is making in the ballpark of 6 million dollars and you are probably pushing pennies from your mom's basement, but even if you have a normal job, you it would still be hard to make as much as him unless you are a CEO. Once Bert gets rolling, the Canucks, who are first (but not playing too hot) should maintain their position and win another division title.
p.s. I also proudly wear a Bertuzzi#44 jersey.
Go Canucks.
laheinz - December 9, 2005 3:36 pm
Proud to wear a Bertuzzi jersey, I hear they give them away in Hongvoucer. Once Bert gets rolling, he is rolling, in the dough, overpriced and underachiever, just like the rest of the team. Maybe 44 is your I.Q., that is what it sounds like, anyone who cheers for that team must be not too bright, look at all the goofs who still think Toronto is going to do something, maybe Hongcouver should try getting another bright star like Lindros, then they would really have a sinking ship. Mark my words "Hongcouver will CHOKE again when the word playoffs comes around, and maybe we'll get to see Bertuzzi cry like the baby he is AGAIN.
Bertuzzi Freed! - January 9, 2006 4:05 am
congratulations! you are a redneck who can stereotype a city because it has some asians. I cheer for Vancouver because it is my home town, I'm not a bandwagoning prick like you who probably uses "logic" and doesnt cheer for a team until the playoffs. Yes Vancouver may not win, for they have terribly goaltending, but im not gonna pull out another teams flag if they do loose. Have fun watching your Calgary flame games in your barn!
Free Bertuzzi again :( - February 16, 2006 10:22 pm
FUCK YOU STEVE MOORE. fucking pussy suing Bert while he is at the olympics to try to take him off his game and embarrass him in front of his country and hurt his countries team. go home Moore, parties over and shut up for the rest of your life
Kev - February 16, 2006 10:24 pm
steve moore sucks, bertuzzi shouldn't give him a penny
Jamaal - February 23, 2006 3:53 am
In today's game with Russia, Bertuzzi has proven once again by taking another bonehead penalty which cost his team big time, that he has about as much discipline as a spoiled teenager. The guy needs serious therapy.
tamm - February 23, 2006 9:09 pm
yeah maybe but his whole team sucked in these gympics
Free Bertuzzi again - February 24, 2006 3:47 am
ya, the team let him down. going 0 for 7 on PP is unaceptable. i do agree it was a dumb penalty, but the goal was prongers fault penalty kill or none, you can't thrown the puck in front of the net like that. i'm pretty pissed canada lost like that. in the end i blame the coaches for not formulating better lines with the talent they had and over all not changing the lines when it was clear that canada wasnt scoring.
SHAWN - March 5, 2006 9:47 pm
HEY cleveland sucks YOU BETTER SHUT THE FUCK UP BEFORE SOMEONE TEACHES YOU A LESSON GET A LIFE BERTUZZI DID THE RIGHT THING AND LOOK WHAT STEVE MOORE DID TO NASLUND HURTED HIM TOO AND THE NASLUND FAMILY SHOULD SUE MOORE 999999999999 MILLION DOLLARS AND GET STEVE MOORE FIRED FROM THE NHL HE STARTED IT ALL AND IF HE DID NOT DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE EVERYTHING WOULD BE FINE AND NO ONE WOULD BE HURT ALRIGHT SO SHUT THE FUCK UP CLEVELAND SUCKS
Free Bertuzzi - March 25, 2006 4:31 pm
damn straight
Free Bertuzzi ... in florida - July 29, 2006 1:51 am
Fuck you all who dont like Bertuzzi. you are missing one of the most entertaining shows in hockey, a sport we watch for entertainment. I guess you guys get enough entertainment looking at your cocks through microscopes. while i am sad Bertuzzi has moved to Florida i think it will be a good career move and I will continue to support him and enjoy watching him on the highlight reel.
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